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	<title>Comments on: Give me your entrepreneurial masses, yearning to work hard</title>
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		<title>By: Techno</title>
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		<dc:creator>Techno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2012 19:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The trouble with the photo is that it is almost certainly a picture of a Chinese factory with.....Chinese workers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The trouble with the photo is that it is almost certainly a picture of a Chinese factory with&#8230;..Chinese workers.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Papworth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Papworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2012 15:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Graeme,

&quot;Open for business&quot; is just one of those expressions I dislike. 

Partly it&#039;s because it (along with many other comments) uses the metaphor of a business when talking about a country, which is inappropriate for so many reasons - of which one is that a company &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; a collective and it &lt;i&gt;does&lt;/i&gt; have a shared purpose and a single, all-powerful leadership.

But partly it&#039;s a stylistic thing. It&#039;s one of those oft-repeated-rarely-thought-about phrases.

And partly it reminds me of an anti-immigration candidate who kept saying &quot;Britain is closed for business&quot; during a television show where viewers chose a candidate to run for parliament - he won!

Having said that, don&#039;t let my distaste for five words detract from what is otherwise a perfectly good petition!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Graeme,</p>
<p>&#8220;Open for business&#8221; is just one of those expressions I dislike. </p>
<p>Partly it&#8217;s because it (along with many other comments) uses the metaphor of a business when talking about a country, which is inappropriate for so many reasons &#8211; of which one is that a company <i>is</i> a collective and it <i>does</i> have a shared purpose and a single, all-powerful leadership.</p>
<p>But partly it&#8217;s a stylistic thing. It&#8217;s one of those oft-repeated-rarely-thought-about phrases.</p>
<p>And partly it reminds me of an anti-immigration candidate who kept saying &#8220;Britain is closed for business&#8221; during a television show where viewers chose a candidate to run for parliament &#8211; he won!</p>
<p>Having said that, don&#8217;t let my distaste for five words detract from what is otherwise a perfectly good petition!</p>
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		<title>By: Graeme Cowie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graeme Cowie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2012 14:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for raising attention to this Tom.

I agree that the points system is also far from perfect and would go much further than the actual petition if I had the chance. I feel dropping the cap is at least something we can get an effective consensus behind, hence the petition is constrained to that.

I know some won&#039;t like the &quot;open for business&quot; chat but for me it&#039;s as much about emphasising that immigration restrictions are inherently protectionist and close off competition, not just of labour, but of ideas and resources too. From a hyper-pragmatic standpoint that&#039;s bad for the people the cap is supposedly aiming to protect (domestic workers) but from an ideological standpoint it&#039;s bad for all concerned.

I suspect that, much as liberals have strong instincts for breaking down these sorts of barriers and manifestations of state power, we won&#039;t win the war on the ideological front. The sort of people we need to win over to pro-immigration (and, e.g. pro drug decriminalisation) are those whose opposition is derived from their perception of the effects. If you can show them the effects aren&#039;t as they first thought, you&#039;ve probably won them over even if they don&#039;t have a strong ideological opinion about whether it&#039;s right that the state be acting in that way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for raising attention to this Tom.</p>
<p>I agree that the points system is also far from perfect and would go much further than the actual petition if I had the chance. I feel dropping the cap is at least something we can get an effective consensus behind, hence the petition is constrained to that.</p>
<p>I know some won&#8217;t like the &#8220;open for business&#8221; chat but for me it&#8217;s as much about emphasising that immigration restrictions are inherently protectionist and close off competition, not just of labour, but of ideas and resources too. From a hyper-pragmatic standpoint that&#8217;s bad for the people the cap is supposedly aiming to protect (domestic workers) but from an ideological standpoint it&#8217;s bad for all concerned.</p>
<p>I suspect that, much as liberals have strong instincts for breaking down these sorts of barriers and manifestations of state power, we won&#8217;t win the war on the ideological front. The sort of people we need to win over to pro-immigration (and, e.g. pro drug decriminalisation) are those whose opposition is derived from their perception of the effects. If you can show them the effects aren&#8217;t as they first thought, you&#8217;ve probably won them over even if they don&#8217;t have a strong ideological opinion about whether it&#8217;s right that the state be acting in that way.</p>
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