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	<title>Comments on: LUDWIG VON MISES (1881-1973) LIBERALISM (1927</title>
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		<title>By: Barry Stocker</title>
		<link>http://www.liberal-vision.org/2009/12/10/ludwig-von-mises-1881-1973-liberalism-1927/comment-page-1/#comment-3585</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry Stocker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 20:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something got lost, go to page 48 of the online version of &#039;Liberalism&#039; at the Mises Institute for direct comment on Italian Fascism</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something got lost, go to page 48 of the online version of &#8216;Liberalism&#8217; at the Mises Institute for direct comment on Italian Fascism</p>
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		<title>By: Barry Stocker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry Stocker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 20:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It cannot be denied that Fascism and similar movements aiming at the establishment of dictatorships are full of the best intentions and that their intervention has, for the moment, saved European civilization. The merit that Fascism has thereby won for itself will live on eternally in history.

http://mises.org/books/liberalism.pdf
page 51

Direct reference to Italian Fascism, a bit less favourable than the above, but favourable to Fascism as better than Bolshevism

Mises was chief economic adviser to the Dolfuss, the Austrian leader who ended parliamentary democracy in Austria, there&#039;s debate about whether Dolfuss was properly speaking a Fascist, but he was certainly an authoritarian leader who had much in common with Fascists.  
This is a link to John T. Flynn&#039;s account as posted at the Mises Institute
http://mises.org/daily/2360</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It cannot be denied that Fascism and similar movements aiming at the establishment of dictatorships are full of the best intentions and that their intervention has, for the moment, saved European civilization. The merit that Fascism has thereby won for itself will live on eternally in history.</p>
<p><a href="http://mises.org/books/liberalism.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://mises.org/books/liberalism.pdf</a><br />
page 51</p>
<p>Direct reference to Italian Fascism, a bit less favourable than the above, but favourable to Fascism as better than Bolshevism</p>
<p>Mises was chief economic adviser to the Dolfuss, the Austrian leader who ended parliamentary democracy in Austria, there&#8217;s debate about whether Dolfuss was properly speaking a Fascist, but he was certainly an authoritarian leader who had much in common with Fascists.<br />
This is a link to John T. Flynn&#8217;s account as posted at the Mises Institute<br />
<a href="http://mises.org/daily/2360" rel="nofollow">http://mises.org/daily/2360</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tom Papworth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Papworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barry,

I&#039;ve just finished reading Liberalism and I can find nothing about him &quot;openly and directly support[ing] the Italian fascist regime in ‘Liberalism’&quot;

Citation, please?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barry,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve just finished reading Liberalism and I can find nothing about him &#8220;openly and directly support[ing] the Italian fascist regime in ‘Liberalism’&#8221;</p>
<p>Citation, please?</p>
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		<title>By: Gandhi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gandhi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 14:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry I&#039;m talking total balderdash, Proudhon was supposedly an inspiration to Italian fascists, and was massively anti-semitic (correction). He did not have an actual time machine!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry I&#8217;m talking total balderdash, Proudhon was supposedly an inspiration to Italian fascists, and was massively anti-semitic (correction). He did not have an actual time machine!</p>
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		<title>By: Gandhi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gandhi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 13:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to confess I&#039;m not particularly hot on Mises, and have read only parts of Human Action, so I&#039;ll bow to your superior knowledge ... but he&#039;s not the only [liberal] who supported the Italian fascists, one PJ Proudhon is also guilty there, &#039;tis curious.  But there&#039;s ideology and there&#039;s pragmatism, and pragmatism leads people to compromise with people who they may think are the best available option.  Many are the dictators posing as liberators ... well that&#039;s the defence anyway.

The big problem (at least for libertarians) with Mill is utilitarianism. If you take the utilitarian &quot;greater good&quot; position then there&#039;s really no limit to the evils you may attempt to justify, and every politician in this country thinks this way. It&#039;s a cop-out at best, at worst it&#039;s truly horrific (I&#039;m thinking Iraq war).  I can&#039;t help but wonder if Mill hadn&#039;t been indoctrinated with utilitarianism many things might be different today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to confess I&#8217;m not particularly hot on Mises, and have read only parts of Human Action, so I&#8217;ll bow to your superior knowledge &#8230; but he&#8217;s not the only [liberal] who supported the Italian fascists, one PJ Proudhon is also guilty there, &#8217;tis curious.  But there&#8217;s ideology and there&#8217;s pragmatism, and pragmatism leads people to compromise with people who they may think are the best available option.  Many are the dictators posing as liberators &#8230; well that&#8217;s the defence anyway.</p>
<p>The big problem (at least for libertarians) with Mill is utilitarianism. If you take the utilitarian &#8220;greater good&#8221; position then there&#8217;s really no limit to the evils you may attempt to justify, and every politician in this country thinks this way. It&#8217;s a cop-out at best, at worst it&#8217;s truly horrific (I&#8217;m thinking Iraq war).  I can&#8217;t help but wonder if Mill hadn&#8217;t been indoctrinated with utilitarianism many things might be different today.</p>
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		<title>By: Me on Mises’ Liberalism at LiberalVision and some supplementary comments &#171; Stockerblog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Me on Mises’ Liberalism at LiberalVision and some supplementary comments &#171; Stockerblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 01:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] December 12, 2009 at 4:03 am (Uncategorized) Tags: Austrian Liberalism   Click here to see my introduction to Ludwig von Mises and summary of Liberalism. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] December 12, 2009 at 4:03 am (Uncategorized) Tags: Austrian Liberalism   Click here to see my introduction to Ludwig von Mises and summary of Liberalism. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Barry Stocker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry Stocker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gandhi

Mises quite openly and directly supports the Italian fascist regime in &#039;Liberalism&#039;.  I chose to present Mises without referring to the most controversial parts of what he says.  If you think Mises is more clearly opposed to statism than Mill, I have to disagree, and what more evidence do I need.  I think Mises was someone of great intellectual stature who made a big contribution to liberal thought, and I think liberal minded people should read him and learn from him.  He is not however perfect.  I greatly regret Mill&#039;s increasing leanings towards socialism, but that does not take away from the value of &#039;On Liberty&#039; and other texts.  It&#039;s certainly wrong to say that &#039;On Liberty&#039; is socialist or a gateway; or it could only be correct if you think that the only non-socialist choice is minarchism, which Mises does not endorse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gandhi</p>
<p>Mises quite openly and directly supports the Italian fascist regime in &#8216;Liberalism&#8217;.  I chose to present Mises without referring to the most controversial parts of what he says.  If you think Mises is more clearly opposed to statism than Mill, I have to disagree, and what more evidence do I need.  I think Mises was someone of great intellectual stature who made a big contribution to liberal thought, and I think liberal minded people should read him and learn from him.  He is not however perfect.  I greatly regret Mill&#8217;s increasing leanings towards socialism, but that does not take away from the value of &#8216;On Liberty&#8217; and other texts.  It&#8217;s certainly wrong to say that &#8216;On Liberty&#8217; is socialist or a gateway; or it could only be correct if you think that the only non-socialist choice is minarchism, which Mises does not endorse.</p>
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		<title>By: Gandhi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gandhi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 07:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah Ludwig, lovely Ludwig.  There&#039;s a proper libertarian/liberal for you.  That John Stuart Mill was a mere gateway drug to state socialism, as the composition of the Lib Dems testifies!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah Ludwig, lovely Ludwig.  There&#8217;s a proper libertarian/liberal for you.  That John Stuart Mill was a mere gateway drug to state socialism, as the composition of the Lib Dems testifies!</p>
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