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	<title>Comments on: Guest Post: Labour hail the Minimum Wage</title>
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	<description>Looking Forward to Freedom</description>
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		<title>By: financial literacy for children</title>
		<link>http://www.liberal-vision.org/2009/09/29/guest-post-labour-hail-the-minimum-wage/comment-page-1/#comment-9385</link>
		<dc:creator>financial literacy for children</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 20:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Monetary literacy is such an significant skill to educate the youth.  It&#039;s a shame that they don&#039;t show it in schools.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Monetary literacy is such an significant skill to educate the youth.  It&#8217;s a shame that they don&#8217;t show it in schools.</p>
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		<title>By: Labour&#8217;s Minimum Wage and Work Trials &#171; Though Cowards Flinch</title>
		<link>http://www.liberal-vision.org/2009/09/29/guest-post-labour-hail-the-minimum-wage/comment-page-1/#comment-3489</link>
		<dc:creator>Labour&#8217;s Minimum Wage and Work Trials &#171; Though Cowards Flinch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 00:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] but I think there a few other significant details which were not evinced to full effect. In all the triumphalism on the part of Labour about the minimum wage, that this Work Trials programme awards less than the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] but I think there a few other significant details which were not evinced to full effect. In all the triumphalism on the part of Labour about the minimum wage, that this Work Trials programme awards less than the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Leunig</title>
		<link>http://www.liberal-vision.org/2009/09/29/guest-post-labour-hail-the-minimum-wage/comment-page-1/#comment-2380</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Leunig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those of you who subscribe to Prospect magazine may be interested in a related article that I wrote for them recently:

http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/2009/08/fewer-jobless/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those of you who subscribe to Prospect magazine may be interested in a related article that I wrote for them recently:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/2009/08/fewer-jobless/" rel="nofollow">http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/2009/08/fewer-jobless/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michael C Feltham</title>
		<link>http://www.liberal-vision.org/2009/09/29/guest-post-labour-hail-the-minimum-wage/comment-page-1/#comment-2377</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael C Feltham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 07:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before the much heralded Minimum Wage (MW) was introduced, a statutory mechanism was already in place to defeat serious exploitation of traditionally low paid workers: mainly in the hotel, pub and catering trades.

Thus the concept was nothing new: just rolled out universally.

The highly erudite economic arguments all omit what is the most critical aspects of this nonsense: the simple reality that anyone trying to survive on MW is invariably then Benefit-Dependent.

Thus the state and more critically, the taxpayer, suffers once again, the cost and clumsy reality of Multi-Level Bureaucracy.

Even more insane is the fact that a worker on MW will suffer the impact of National Insurance and Income Tax!

And then the state has to give back a raft of benefits including Housing Benefit, as the MW Worker cannot afford to live!

Which makes no sense whatsoever.

Britain is well overdue for complete Fiscal Reform: and politicians who for once and at last understand truly Real Wealth Creation and thus Real Fresh new Long Term Job Creation.

And when the real economy grows, then payrates self-solve, with no necessary governmental intervention: as Supply and Demand take over and employers must like all capitalists, bid for a scarce resource: workers.

I wholeheartedly agree with Charlie&#039;s earlier comment about Germany: economic success and longevity will and can only emerge from primarily education: and thereafter Government establishing a cogent economic base which rewards genuine wealth creational activities: and punishes speculation.

An economy built on the twin illusions of Financial Services and property price Booms will eventually fail everytime: as it did in Heath-Barber&#039;s  Boom-Bust; Thatcher-Lawson&#039;s Boom-Bust and now the even less regulated Blair-Brown Boom-Bust.

Yet now, rather too late, Brown, Mandelson and Darling Darling et al suddenly hail industry as the key to their and the state&#039;s salvation!

In their dreams!

Rafts of grads with worthless and pointless &quot;Degrees&quot; from ersatz &quot;Universities&quot; are pretty useless at designing satellites, silicon chips and computers.

Here are my analysis and conclusions:

http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_29357.shtml</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before the much heralded Minimum Wage (MW) was introduced, a statutory mechanism was already in place to defeat serious exploitation of traditionally low paid workers: mainly in the hotel, pub and catering trades.</p>
<p>Thus the concept was nothing new: just rolled out universally.</p>
<p>The highly erudite economic arguments all omit what is the most critical aspects of this nonsense: the simple reality that anyone trying to survive on MW is invariably then Benefit-Dependent.</p>
<p>Thus the state and more critically, the taxpayer, suffers once again, the cost and clumsy reality of Multi-Level Bureaucracy.</p>
<p>Even more insane is the fact that a worker on MW will suffer the impact of National Insurance and Income Tax!</p>
<p>And then the state has to give back a raft of benefits including Housing Benefit, as the MW Worker cannot afford to live!</p>
<p>Which makes no sense whatsoever.</p>
<p>Britain is well overdue for complete Fiscal Reform: and politicians who for once and at last understand truly Real Wealth Creation and thus Real Fresh new Long Term Job Creation.</p>
<p>And when the real economy grows, then payrates self-solve, with no necessary governmental intervention: as Supply and Demand take over and employers must like all capitalists, bid for a scarce resource: workers.</p>
<p>I wholeheartedly agree with Charlie&#8217;s earlier comment about Germany: economic success and longevity will and can only emerge from primarily education: and thereafter Government establishing a cogent economic base which rewards genuine wealth creational activities: and punishes speculation.</p>
<p>An economy built on the twin illusions of Financial Services and property price Booms will eventually fail everytime: as it did in Heath-Barber&#8217;s  Boom-Bust; Thatcher-Lawson&#8217;s Boom-Bust and now the even less regulated Blair-Brown Boom-Bust.</p>
<p>Yet now, rather too late, Brown, Mandelson and Darling Darling et al suddenly hail industry as the key to their and the state&#8217;s salvation!</p>
<p>In their dreams!</p>
<p>Rafts of grads with worthless and pointless &#8220;Degrees&#8221; from ersatz &#8220;Universities&#8221; are pretty useless at designing satellites, silicon chips and computers.</p>
<p>Here are my analysis and conclusions:</p>
<p><a href="http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_29357.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_29357.shtml</a></p>
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		<title>By: Why I, a liberal economist, like the Minimum Wage &#171; Freethinking Economist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Why I, a liberal economist, like the Minimum Wage &#171; Freethinking Economist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 16:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Theoretical musings. Tagged: Liberal Vision, Libertarianism, Minimum wage. Leave a Comment  Liberal Vision have hosted a post by Rob Waller of the Libertarian Party on the Minimum Wage (he usually blogs [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Theoretical musings. Tagged: Liberal Vision, Libertarianism, Minimum wage. Leave a Comment  Liberal Vision have hosted a post by Rob Waller of the Libertarian Party on the Minimum Wage (he usually blogs [...]</p>
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		<title>By: RobW</title>
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		<dc:creator>RobW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 13:26:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure about that David. As Tom suggests it plays a very important role in the benefits trap problem we have in this country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure about that David. As Tom suggests it plays a very important role in the benefits trap problem we have in this country.</p>
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		<title>By: David Heigham</title>
		<link>http://www.liberal-vision.org/2009/09/29/guest-post-labour-hail-the-minimum-wage/comment-page-1/#comment-2366</link>
		<dc:creator>David Heigham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 12:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aren&#039;t we wasting powder and shot on the minimum wage? At the levels thatapply, it has minimal effect; and is therefore one of Labour&#039;s less damaging policies.

Several of the comments bove point to Labour&#039;s grosser failings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aren&#8217;t we wasting powder and shot on the minimum wage? At the levels thatapply, it has minimal effect; and is therefore one of Labour&#8217;s less damaging policies.</p>
<p>Several of the comments bove point to Labour&#8217;s grosser failings.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Byrne</title>
		<link>http://www.liberal-vision.org/2009/09/29/guest-post-labour-hail-the-minimum-wage/comment-page-1/#comment-2362</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Byrne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 11:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wrote about this myself as a reply to a girl I know who made a speech at the Labour Conference demanding the youth minimum wage be brought up over here.

http://www.byrnetofferings.co.uk/2009/09/gerogia-elliot-minimum-wage-and-youth.html

As for the minimum wage generally, I think there&#039;s a lot more things that need to be reformed that cause unemployment before moving onto the placebo that the NMW is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote about this myself as a reply to a girl I know who made a speech at the Labour Conference demanding the youth minimum wage be brought up over here.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.byrnetofferings.co.uk/2009/09/gerogia-elliot-minimum-wage-and-youth.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.byrnetofferings.co.uk/2009/09/gerogia-elliot-minimum-wage-and-youth.html</a></p>
<p>As for the minimum wage generally, I think there&#8217;s a lot more things that need to be reformed that cause unemployment before moving onto the placebo that the NMW is.</p>
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		<title>By: RobW</title>
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		<dc:creator>RobW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 11:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom I agree with your first point absolutely. And If I had had more time would have made your point about the surplus of labour during the &#039;boom&#039; years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom I agree with your first point absolutely. And If I had had more time would have made your point about the surplus of labour during the &#8216;boom&#8217; years.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 10:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem we have in the UK is the large percentage of the population , probably  30-40% who only have the literacy and numeracy for un and semi-skilled jobs which limits their earnings. Germany has a large manufacturing capability because it has a large population of highly skilled craftsmen, technicians, scientists and engineers. We can only increase the size of the high value manufacturing and media sectors if we increase the size of our skilled workforce: this Labour has failed to achieved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem we have in the UK is the large percentage of the population , probably  30-40% who only have the literacy and numeracy for un and semi-skilled jobs which limits their earnings. Germany has a large manufacturing capability because it has a large population of highly skilled craftsmen, technicians, scientists and engineers. We can only increase the size of the high value manufacturing and media sectors if we increase the size of our skilled workforce: this Labour has failed to achieved.</p>
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