Comments on: Clegg continues march to classical liberalism http://www.liberal-vision.org/2009/08/28/clegg-continues-march-to-classical-liberalism/ Looking Forward to Freedom Wed, 08 Feb 2012 23:17:54 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: Liberal Vision » Blog Archive » Has Nick got it right on paying our squaddies more? http://www.liberal-vision.org/2009/08/28/clegg-continues-march-to-classical-liberalism/comment-page-1/#comment-1996 Liberal Vision » Blog Archive » Has Nick got it right on paying our squaddies more? Wed, 02 Sep 2009 16:53:35 +0000 http://www.liberal-vision.org/?p=2749#comment-1996 [...] on the heels of his call to cut waste in the public sector, Nick Clegg reckons he can find the cash for a £6,000 pay hike for junior [...] [...] on the heels of his call to cut waste in the public sector, Nick Clegg reckons he can find the cash for a £6,000 pay hike for junior [...]

]]> By: Charlie http://www.liberal-vision.org/2009/08/28/clegg-continues-march-to-classical-liberalism/comment-page-1/#comment-1986 Charlie Tue, 01 Sep 2009 00:07:46 +0000 http://www.liberal-vision.org/?p=2749#comment-1986 Chris . Perhaps the largest form of employmentis that of self employment and those working in businesses of less than 10 people. At present there is no party which is trying to obtain the votes of the aspirational hardworking self -employed;L Labour is the party of the state employee and the Conservatives the party of international finance. Many self employed people look at the salaries, 25 days holiday, index linked pension,flexi-time and extensive overmanning in the white collar jobs of the state sector as a luxury the UK cannot afford. The Liberal party arose in protest to the power and privileges exercised by the State and was largely a supported by the hard working skilled self employed non-conformist craftsmen who gave the World the Industrial Revolution. Perhaps it is time the Liberal Democratic Party re -created the drive, initiative, technical and entrepreneurial skill of our predecessors? Chris . Perhaps the largest form of employmentis that of self employment and those working in businesses of less than 10 people. At present there is no party which is trying to obtain the votes of the aspirational hardworking self -employed;L Labour is the party of the state employee and the Conservatives the party of international finance. Many self employed people look at the salaries, 25 days holiday, index linked pension,flexi-time and extensive overmanning in the white collar jobs of the state sector as a luxury the UK cannot afford.

The Liberal party arose in protest to the power and privileges exercised by the State and was largely a supported by the hard working skilled self employed non-conformist craftsmen who gave the World the Industrial Revolution. Perhaps it is time the Liberal Democratic Party re -created the drive, initiative, technical and entrepreneurial skill of our predecessors?

]]> By: Ziggy Encaoua http://www.liberal-vision.org/2009/08/28/clegg-continues-march-to-classical-liberalism/comment-page-1/#comment-1967 Ziggy Encaoua Sun, 30 Aug 2009 17:22:16 +0000 http://www.liberal-vision.org/?p=2749#comment-1967 I wonder if Matthew would have tighter regulations upon what McDonalds sell even thoughnobody is actually forced to eat the shit they sell http://www.the-bastard.com/index.php?section=40&page=1064 I wonder if Matthew would have tighter regulations upon what McDonalds sell even thoughnobody is actually forced to eat the shit they sell

http://www.the-bastard.com/index.php?section=40&page=1064

]]> By: Mark Littlewood http://www.liberal-vision.org/2009/08/28/clegg-continues-march-to-classical-liberalism/comment-page-1/#comment-1963 Mark Littlewood Sun, 30 Aug 2009 04:40:02 +0000 http://www.liberal-vision.org/?p=2749#comment-1963 A pretty silly argument from Matthew, all told. If you like, the drugs could still be dispensed by a registered pharmacist. This doesn't alter my initial proposition. The suggestion that asthmatics should subsidise other people's prescriptions - but that the fit and healthy needn't do so, also bears very little scrutiny. A pretty silly argument from Matthew, all told.

If you like, the drugs could still be dispensed by a registered pharmacist. This doesn’t alter my initial proposition.

The suggestion that asthmatics should subsidise other people’s prescriptions – but that the fit and healthy needn’t do so, also bears very little scrutiny.

]]> By: Are only classical liberals interested in saving money?  http://www.liberal-vision.org/2009/08/28/clegg-continues-march-to-classical-liberalism/comment-page-1/#comment-1962 Are only classical liberals interested in saving money?  Sun, 30 Aug 2009 01:53:11 +0000 http://www.liberal-vision.org/?p=2749#comment-1962 [...] I was intrigued to see Mark Littlewood’s suggestion that Nick Clegg’s latest “In The Know” initiative is evidence of his innate classical liberalism. [...] [...] I was intrigued to see Mark Littlewood’s suggestion that Nick Clegg’s latest “In The Know” initiative is evidence of his innate classical liberalism. [...]

]]> By: Ziggy Encaoua http://www.liberal-vision.org/2009/08/28/clegg-continues-march-to-classical-liberalism/comment-page-1/#comment-1961 Ziggy Encaoua Sat, 29 Aug 2009 23:44:36 +0000 http://www.liberal-vision.org/?p=2749#comment-1961 'Badly dispensed news cannot kill in the way badly dispensed drugs can' Cars can kill but we don't have the state dispensing them 'I have seen people’s lives ruined by quacks conning them into taking unnecessary “complementary therapy”.' Yes & I've seen people's lives made miserable by doctors being restricted by the government Plus nobody is forced to take drugs proscribed by a private doctor but there are people who are forced to under the threat of imprisonment by state doctors. 'Someone selling me drugs operates on the motives of making a profit' Oh yeah that's right The pharmaceutical industry jusy gives the NHS tons all the drugs they produce for free In fact if there wasn't a government monopoly on drugs & healthcare both would alot cheaper but I'd not expect a 'statist' type such as you to understand free market economics 1:01 ‘Badly dispensed news cannot kill in the way badly dispensed drugs can’

Cars can kill but we don’t have the state dispensing them

‘I have seen people’s lives ruined by quacks conning them into taking unnecessary “complementary therapy”.’

Yes & I’ve seen people’s lives made miserable by doctors being restricted by the government

Plus nobody is forced to take drugs proscribed by a private doctor but there are people who are forced to under the threat of imprisonment by state doctors.

‘Someone selling me drugs operates on the motives of making a profit’

Oh yeah that’s right The pharmaceutical industry jusy gives the NHS tons all the drugs they produce for free

In fact if there wasn’t a government monopoly on drugs & healthcare both would alot cheaper but I’d not expect a ‘statist’ type such as you to understand free market economics 1:01

]]> By: Matthew Huntbach http://www.liberal-vision.org/2009/08/28/clegg-continues-march-to-classical-liberalism/comment-page-1/#comment-1960 Matthew Huntbach Sat, 29 Aug 2009 23:27:43 +0000 http://www.liberal-vision.org/?p=2749#comment-1960 "Would prefer to only get your news from an outlet certified by the state?" Badly dispensed news cannot kill in the way badly dispensed drugs can. "Where as the free market operates on supply & demand as well as the cliche that the consumer is king, the state only has motives of control & the corporatist interest." Someone selling me drugs operates on the motives of making a profit from persuading me they are good for me, when they might not be. I'd rather be served by a professional who doesn't profit in this way, but who I have some guarantee does know about medicine. "The drugs that government certifies aren’t necessarily the best drugs or the most appropriate drugs." I have seen people's lives ruined by quacks conning them into taking unnecessary "complementary therapy". This idea of yours that somehow private entrepeneurs who stand to make a profit from selling drugs are all angels who do so in my best interest, oh so much more so than people with proved scientific training, is really very silly, and just shows up the silliness of all you "libertarian" types. “Would prefer to only get your news from an outlet certified by the state?”

Badly dispensed news cannot kill in the way badly dispensed drugs can.

“Where as the free market operates on supply & demand as well as the cliche that the consumer is king, the state only has motives of control & the corporatist interest.”

Someone selling me drugs operates on the motives of making a profit from persuading me they are good for me, when they might not be. I’d rather be served by a professional who doesn’t profit in this way, but who I have some guarantee does know about medicine.

“The drugs that government certifies aren’t necessarily the best drugs or the most appropriate drugs.”

I have seen people’s lives ruined by quacks conning them into taking unnecessary “complementary therapy”. This idea of yours that somehow private entrepeneurs who stand to make a profit from selling drugs are all angels who do so in my best interest, oh so much more so than people with proved scientific training, is really very silly, and just shows up the silliness of all you “libertarian” types.

]]> By: Quaequam Blog! » Are only classical liberals interested in saving money? http://www.liberal-vision.org/2009/08/28/clegg-continues-march-to-classical-liberalism/comment-page-1/#comment-1959 Quaequam Blog! » Are only classical liberals interested in saving money? Sat, 29 Aug 2009 22:02:51 +0000 http://www.liberal-vision.org/?p=2749#comment-1959 [...] I was intrigued to see Mark Littlewood’s suggestion that Nick Clegg’s latest “In The Know” initiative is evidence of his innate classical liberalism. [...] [...] I was intrigued to see Mark Littlewood’s suggestion that Nick Clegg’s latest “In The Know” initiative is evidence of his innate classical liberalism. [...]

]]> By: Ziggy Encaoua http://www.liberal-vision.org/2009/08/28/clegg-continues-march-to-classical-liberalism/comment-page-1/#comment-1956 Ziggy Encaoua Sat, 29 Aug 2009 14:26:36 +0000 http://www.liberal-vision.org/?p=2749#comment-1956 'I’d rather get my drugs from someone I know is certified by the state to have the knowledge required to dispense them properly' Would prefer to only get your news from an outlet certified by the state? Where as the free market operates on supply & demand as well as the cliche that the consumer is king, the state only has motives of control & the corporatist interest. The drugs that government certifies aren’t necessarily the best drugs or the most appropriate drugs. ‘I’d rather get my drugs from someone I know is certified by the state to have the knowledge required to dispense them properly’

Would prefer to only get your news from an outlet certified by the state?

Where as the free market operates on supply & demand as well as the cliche that the consumer is king, the state only has motives of control & the corporatist interest. The drugs that government certifies aren’t necessarily the best drugs or the most appropriate drugs.

]]> By: Matthew Huntbach http://www.liberal-vision.org/2009/08/28/clegg-continues-march-to-classical-liberalism/comment-page-1/#comment-1955 Matthew Huntbach Sat, 29 Aug 2009 09:18:07 +0000 http://www.liberal-vision.org/?p=2749#comment-1955 I'd rather get my drugs from someone I know is certified by the state to have the knowledge required to dispense them properly - and not to prescribe them if s/he thinks I don't need them, no matter how much money I might pay to get them. Poor old Michael Jackson illustrates what happens with the free-for-all you envisage. I think it rather obvious that you pay over-cost for your drugs in order to subsidise those requiring more expensive drugs. This pooling of costs does not strike me as overall a bad thing. I’d rather get my drugs from someone I know is certified by the state to have the knowledge required to dispense them properly – and not to prescribe them if s/he thinks I don’t need them, no matter how much money I might pay to get them. Poor old Michael Jackson illustrates what happens with the free-for-all you envisage.

I think it rather obvious that you pay over-cost for your drugs in order to subsidise those requiring more expensive drugs. This pooling of costs does not strike me as overall a bad thing.

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